We don't know whether the most recent response to this request contains information or not – if you are Tracy Ullman please sign in and let everyone know.

Looking for Jersey City PD report about Michael Galdieri DOD May 22, 2014

Tracy Ullman made this OPRA request to Jersey City Automatic anti-spam measures are in place for this older request. Please let us know if a further response is expected or if you are having trouble responding.

We're waiting for Tracy Ullman to read recent responses and update the status.

Dear Jersey City,

Please accept this electronic request for public records made under OPRA and the common law right of access. I am not required to fill out an official form or use a particular software platform to submit my request per NJSA 47:1A-6(f), which states that an email from a requestor including all of the information required on the adopted form shall suffice in place of a completed form as a valid government record request.

I HAVE NOT been convicted of any indictable offense under the laws of New Jersey, any other state, or the United States.

These records will be used for fact checking a documentary series on Investigation Discovery/MAX

I AM NOT seeking records in connection with a legal proceeding.

Records requested: Any and all case files, audio recordings, video evidence, evidentiary photos and incident reports to do with the murder of 52-year old Michael Galdieri on Thursday, May 22, 2014 at 158 Mallory Ave., Second Floor Apartment, Jersey City, NJ 07304.

My preferred delivery method for response(s) to this request is by E-mail as attachments at [email address]. Please confirm you have received this request. If you are not the custodian of records, please forward my request to that person and provide their email address to me for future reference.

Yours faithfully,
Tracy Ullman, Producer
Magilla Entertainment
1 Barry Place, Suite 2
Stamford, CT 06902

Jersey City OPRA Center,

  [1]GovQA logo
 
 
Dear Tracy Ullman ,

Thank you for registering with the Jersey City OPRA Center. Below you will
find your login and password information. Please log in to the [2]Open
Public Records Center to update any contact or password information and to
track the progress of your requests. 

Login: [OPRA #74586 email]
 
Password:  [3]Update Password
 
If you are a first time user and did not submit your request through the
open public records portal but are receiving this e-mail, an account has
been created for you where you can access, track and receive any documents
in response to your request.
 
Thank You,
 
Custodian of Records
Jersey City, NJ
 
 
 
  [4]GovQA logo

 

References

Visible links
2. https://jerseycity.mycusthelp.com/WEBAPP...
3. https://jerseycity.mycusthelp.com/WEBAPP...

Jersey City OPRA Center,

Dear Tracy Ullman :

 

Thank you for your interest in open public records of Jersey City OPRA
Center.  This will serve to acknowledge receipt of your Open Public
Records Act (OPRA) request.  Your request was received in this office on
4/9/2025.  Kindly refer to the reference number F001609-040925 when
communicating with our office in this regard.  Your request mentioned:

OPRA request - Looking for Jersey City PD report about Michael
Galdieri DOD May 22, 2014 Dear Jersey City, Please accept this
electronic request for public records made under OPRA and the common
law right of access. I am not required to fill out an official form or
use a particular software platform to submit my request per NJSA
47:1A-6(f), which states that an email from a requestor including all
of the information required on the adopted form shall suffice in place
of a completed form as a valid government record request. I HAVE NOT
been convicted of any indictable offense under the laws of New Jersey,
any other state, or the United States. These records will be used for
fact checking a documentary series on Investigation Discovery/MAX I AM
NOT seeking records in connection with a legal proceeding. Records
requested: Any and all case files, audio recordings, video evidence,
evidentiary photos and incident reports to do with the murder of
52-year old Michael Galdieri on Thursday, May 22, 2014 at 158 Mallory
Ave., Second Floor Apartment, Jersey City, NJ 07304. My preferred
delivery method for response(s) to this request is by E-mail as
attachments at [email address]. Please confirm you have received
this request. If you are not the custodian of records, please forward
my request to that person and provide their email address to me for
future reference. Yours faithfully, Tracy Ullman, Producer Magilla
Entertainment 1 Barry Place, Suite 2 Stamford, CT 06902

Your request will be forwarded to the relevant City department(s) to
locate the information you seek and to determine the volume and any costs
associated with satisfying your request. You will be contacted about the
availability and/or provided with copies of the records in question.
 PLEASE NOTE: The State Public Information Act does not require a
governmental body to create new information, to do legal research, or to
answer questions.

You can track and monitor the progress of your request at the link below
and you'll receive an email when your request has been completed. Again,
thank you for using the Jersey City OPRA Center.

Jersey City, NJ

══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════

To monitor the progress or update this request please log into
the [1]Jersey City OPRA Center.

References

Visible links
1. https://u8387795.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/clic...

Jersey City OPRA Center,

--- Please respond above this line ---

  [1]GovQA logo
 
 
RE: OPEN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST of April 09, 2025, Reference #
F001609-040925

Ms. Tracy Ullman:

The City received a public information request from you on April 09, 2025.
Your request mentioned:

"OPRA request - Looking for Jersey City PD report about Michael
Galdieri DOD May 22, 2014

Dear Jersey City,

Please accept this electronic request for public records made under
OPRA and the common law right of access. I am not required to fill out
an official form or use a particular software platform to submit my
request per NJSA 47:1A-6(f), which states that an email from a
requestor including all of the information required on the adopted
form shall suffice in place of a completed form as a valid government
record request.

I HAVE NOT been convicted of any indictable offense under the laws of
New Jersey, any other state, or the United States.

These records will be used for fact checking a documentary series on
Investigation Discovery/MAX

I AM NOT seeking records in connection with a legal proceeding.

Records requested: Any and all case files, audio recordings, video
evidence, evidentiary photos and incident reports to do with the
murder of 52-year old Michael Galdieri on Thursday, May 22, 2014 at
158 Mallory Ave., Second Floor Apartment, Jersey City, NJ 07304.

My preferred delivery method for response(s) to this request is by
E-mail as attachments at [email address]. Please confirm you have
received this request. If you are not the custodian of records, please
forward my request to that person and provide their email address to
me for future reference.

Yours faithfully,
Tracy Ullman, Producer
Magilla Entertainment
1 Barry Place, Suite 2
Stamford, CT 06902"

Please be advised that, as worded, your request is overly broad pursuant
to MAG Entertainment, LLC v. Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control, 375
N.J. Super. 534 (App. Div. 2005), Bent v. Stafford Police Department, 381
N.J. Super. 30 (App. Div. 2005) and New Jersey Builders Association v. New
Jersey Council on Affordable Housing, 390  N.J.Super.  166 (App.  Div. 
2007).   

Under OPRA, agencies are required to disclose only "identifiable"
government records not otherwise exempt ... In short, OPRA does not
countenance open-ended searches of an agency's files."  MAG, 375 N.J.
Super. at 549.  Further, in Bent v. Stafford Police Department, 381 N.J.
Super. 30, 37 (App. Div. 2005), the  Court held that a requestor must
specifically describe the document sought because OPRA operates to make
identifiable government records "accessible." "As such, a proper request
under OPRA must identify with reasonable clarity those documents that are
desired, and a party cannot satisfy this requirement by simply requesting
all of an agency's documents."  Id.  

Your request essentially seeks "any and all case files," which is overly
broad.   

Among the types of records you do specify, the many of these would be
criminal investigatory records regardless, which  are exempt from
disclosure under OPRA pursuant to N.J.S.A. 47:1A-1.1.    These including
records such as investigation reports, video evidence (aside from body
camera footage, which does not existing in this case) and evidentiary
photos.  
Video and audio files are beyond the retention periods anyway.  
With respect to "incident reports," however, the City has reviewed its
files and has located responsive records to your request. Please log in to
the Jersey City OPRA Center at the following link to retrieve the
appropriate responsive documents.

[2]Open Public Records Act - F001609-040925
 
The purpose for which you are seeking the records does not factor into the
analysis under OPRA.    If you are also seeking this under alternative
open records laws, and wish to consider your individualized need against
the confidentiality of investigation records, we ask that you verify your
identity (i.e. upload a photo id) and provide additional background as to
the need.  Specifically, please clarify whether what you are "fact
checking" is your company's own production, a production by a company
client, a publication by another media entity, etc. 
 
This request has now been entirely answered under ORPA and, absent receipt
of the verification and further detail within a reasonable period of time,
will be closed as complete.    
 
Best regards,
Jeremy Jacobsen, Esq.
Assistant Corporation Counsel
City of Jersey City - Dept. of Law 
 
 
 
 
  To monitor the progress or update this request please log into [4]GovQA
the [3]Jersey City OPRA Center. logo

 

References

Visible links
2. https://u8387795.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/clic...
3. https://u8387795.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/clic...

Jersey City OPRA Center,

--- Please respond above this line ---

  [1]GovQA logo
 
 
RE: OPEN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST of April 09, 2025, Reference #
F001609-040925

Ms. Tracy Ullman:

The City received a public information request from you on April 09, 2025.
Your request mentioned:

OPRA request - Looking for Jersey City PD report about Michael
Galdieri DOD May 22, 2014

Dear Jersey City,

Please accept this electronic request for public records made under
OPRA and the common law right of access. I am not required to fill out
an official form or use a particular software platform to submit my
request per NJSA 47:1A-6(f), which states that an email from a
requestor including all of the information required on the adopted
form shall suffice in place of a completed form as a valid government
record request.

I HAVE NOT been convicted of any indictable offense under the laws of
New Jersey, any other state, or the United States.

These records will be used for fact checking a documentary series on
Investigation Discovery/MAX

I AM NOT seeking records in connection with a legal proceeding.

Records requested: Any and all case files, audio recordings, video
evidence, evidentiary photos and incident reports to do with the
murder of 52-year old Michael Galdieri on Thursday, May 22, 2014 at
158 Mallory Ave., Second Floor Apartment, Jersey City, NJ 07304.

My preferred delivery method for response(s) to this request is by
E-mail as attachments at [email address]. Please confirm you have
received this request. If you are not the custodian of records, please
forward my request to that person and provide their email address to
me for future reference.

Yours faithfully,
Tracy Ullman, Producer
Magilla Entertainment
1 Barry Place, Suite 2
Stamford, CT 06902

Reference is made to your OPRA request captioned above.

Please note that the City is conducting its search and/or reviewing
located records and two additional weeks are needed for processing your
request.

Thank you for your patience.

Sincerely,

Emare Herrera

Records Support Tech 1

Office of City Clerk

 
 
 
 
  To monitor the progress or update this request please log into [3]GovQA
the [2]Jersey City OPRA Center. logo

 

References

Visible links
2. https://u8387795.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/clic...

Dear Jersey City OPRA Center,

I look forward to hearing your response at your soonest convenience.

Yours sincerely,

Tracy Ullman

Jersey City OPRA Center,

--- Please respond above this line ---

  [1]GovQA logo
 
 
RE: OPEN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST of April 09, 2025, Reference #
F001609-040925

Ms. Tracy Ullman:

The City received a public information request from you on April 09, 2025.
Your request mentioned:

OPRA request - Looking for Jersey City PD report about Michael
Galdieri DOD May 22, 2014

Dear Jersey City,

Please accept this electronic request for public records made under
OPRA and the common law right of access. I am not required to fill out
an official form or use a particular software platform to submit my
request per NJSA 47:1A-6(f), which states that an email from a
requestor including all of the information required on the adopted
form shall suffice in place of a completed form as a valid government
record request.

I HAVE NOT been convicted of any indictable offense under the laws of
New Jersey, any other state, or the United States.

These records will be used for fact checking a documentary series on
Investigation Discovery/MAX

I AM NOT seeking records in connection with a legal proceeding.

Records requested: Any and all case files, audio recordings, video
evidence, evidentiary photos and incident reports to do with the
murder of 52-year old Michael Galdieri on Thursday, May 22, 2014 at
158 Mallory Ave., Second Floor Apartment, Jersey City, NJ 07304.

My preferred delivery method for response(s) to this request is by
E-mail as attachments at [email address]. Please confirm you have
received this request. If you are not the custodian of records, please
forward my request to that person and provide their email address to
me for future reference.

Yours faithfully,
Tracy Ullman, Producer
Magilla Entertainment
1 Barry Place, Suite 2
Stamford, CT 06902

Reference is made to your OPRA request captioned above.

Please note that the City is conducting its search and/or reviewing
located records and two additional weeks are needed for processing your
request.

Thank you for your patience.

Sincerely,

Emare Herrera

Records Support Tech 1

Office of City Clerk

 
 
 
 
  To monitor the progress or update this request please log into [3]GovQA
the [2]Jersey City OPRA Center. logo

 

References

Visible links
2. https://u8387795.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/clic...

Jersey City OPRA Center,

--- Please respond above this line ---

  [1]GovQA logo
 
 
RE: OPEN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST of April 09, 2025, Reference #
F001609-040925

Ms. Tracy Ullman:

The City received a public information request from you on April 09, 2025.
Your request mentioned:

OPRA request - Looking for Jersey City PD report about Michael
Galdieri DOD May 22, 2014

Dear Jersey City,

Please accept this electronic request for public records made under
OPRA and the common law right of access. I am not required to fill out
an official form or use a particular software platform to submit my
request per NJSA 47:1A-6(f), which states that an email from a
requestor including all of the information required on the adopted
form shall suffice in place of a completed form as a valid government
record request.

I HAVE NOT been convicted of any indictable offense under the laws of
New Jersey, any other state, or the United States.

These records will be used for fact checking a documentary series on
Investigation Discovery/MAX

I AM NOT seeking records in connection with a legal proceeding.

Records requested: Any and all case files, audio recordings, video
evidence, evidentiary photos and incident reports to do with the
murder of 52-year old Michael Galdieri on Thursday, May 22, 2014 at
158 Mallory Ave., Second Floor Apartment, Jersey City, NJ 07304.

My preferred delivery method for response(s) to this request is by
E-mail as attachments at [email address]. Please confirm you have
received this request. If you are not the custodian of records, please
forward my request to that person and provide their email address to
me for future reference.

Yours faithfully,
Tracy Ullman, Producer
Magilla Entertainment
1 Barry Place, Suite 2
Stamford, CT 06902

Reference is made to your OPRA request captioned above.

Please note that the City is conducting its search and/or reviewing
located records and two additional weeks are needed for processing your
request.

Thank you for your patience.

Sincerely,

Emare Herrera

Records Support Tech 1

Office of City Clerk

 
 
 
 
  To monitor the progress or update this request please log into [3]GovQA
the [2]Jersey City OPRA Center. logo

 

References

Visible links
2. https://u8387795.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/clic...

Jersey City OPRA Center,

--- Please respond above this line ---

  [1]GovQA logo
 
 
RE: OPEN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST of April 09, 2025, Reference #
F001609-040925

Ms. Tracy Ullman:

The City received a public information request from you on April 09, 2025.
Your request mentioned:

OPRA request - Looking for Jersey City PD report about Michael
Galdieri DOD May 22, 2014

Dear Jersey City,

Please accept this electronic request for public records made under
OPRA and the common law right of access. I am not required to fill out
an official form or use a particular software platform to submit my
request per NJSA 47:1A-6(f), which states that an email from a
requestor including all of the information required on the adopted
form shall suffice in place of a completed form as a valid government
record request.

I HAVE NOT been convicted of any indictable offense under the laws of
New Jersey, any other state, or the United States.

These records will be used for fact checking a documentary series on
Investigation Discovery/MAX

I AM NOT seeking records in connection with a legal proceeding.

Records requested: Any and all case files, audio recordings, video
evidence, evidentiary photos and incident reports to do with the
murder of 52-year old Michael Galdieri on Thursday, May 22, 2014 at
158 Mallory Ave., Second Floor Apartment, Jersey City, NJ 07304.

My preferred delivery method for response(s) to this request is by
E-mail as attachments at [email address]. Please confirm you have
received this request. If you are not the custodian of records, please
forward my request to that person and provide their email address to
me for future reference.

Yours faithfully,
Tracy Ullman, Producer
Magilla Entertainment
1 Barry Place, Suite 2
Stamford, CT 06902

Reference is made to your OPRA request captioned above.

Please note that the City is conducting its search and/or reviewing
located records and two additional weeks are needed for processing your
request.

Thank you for your patience.

Sincerely,

Emare Herrera

Records Support Tech 1

Office of City Clerk

 
 
 
 
  To monitor the progress or update this request please log into [3]GovQA
the [2]Jersey City OPRA Center. logo

 

References

Visible links
2. https://u8387795.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/clic...

Jersey City OPRA Center,

--- Please respond above this line ---

  [1]GovQA logo
 
 
RE: OPEN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST of April 09, 2025, Reference #
F001609-040925

Ms. Tracy Ullman:

The City received a public information request from you on April 09, 2025.
Your request mentioned:

OPRA request - Looking for Jersey City PD report about Michael
Galdieri DOD May 22, 2014

Dear Jersey City,

Please accept this electronic request for public records made under
OPRA and the common law right of access. I am not required to fill out
an official form or use a particular software platform to submit my
request per NJSA 47:1A-6(f), which states that an email from a
requestor including all of the information required on the adopted
form shall suffice in place of a completed form as a valid government
record request.

I HAVE NOT been convicted of any indictable offense under the laws of
New Jersey, any other state, or the United States.

These records will be used for fact checking a documentary series on
Investigation Discovery/MAX

I AM NOT seeking records in connection with a legal proceeding.

Records requested: Any and all case files, audio recordings, video
evidence, evidentiary photos and incident reports to do with the
murder of 52-year old Michael Galdieri on Thursday, May 22, 2014 at
158 Mallory Ave., Second Floor Apartment, Jersey City, NJ 07304.

My preferred delivery method for response(s) to this request is by
E-mail as attachments at [email address]. Please confirm you have
received this request. If you are not the custodian of records, please
forward my request to that person and provide their email address to
me for future reference.

Yours faithfully,
Tracy Ullman, Producer
Magilla Entertainment
1 Barry Place, Suite 2
Stamford, CT 06902

Reference is made to your OPRA request captioned above.

Please note that the City is conducting its search and/or reviewing
located records and two additional weeks are needed for processing your
request.

Thank you for your patience.

Sincerely,

Emare Herrera

Records Support Tech 1

Office of City Clerk

 
 
 
 
  To monitor the progress or update this request please log into [3]GovQA
the [2]Jersey City OPRA Center. logo

 

References

Visible links
2. https://u8387795.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/clic...

Jersey City OPRA Center,

--- Please respond above this line ---

  [1]GovQA logo
 
 
RE: OPEN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST of April 09, 2025, Reference #
F001609-040925

Ms. Tracy Ullman:

The City received a public information request from you on April 09, 2025.
Your request mentioned:

OPRA request - Looking for Jersey City PD report about Michael
Galdieri DOD May 22, 2014

Dear Jersey City,

Please accept this electronic request for public records made under
OPRA and the common law right of access. I am not required to fill out
an official form or use a particular software platform to submit my
request per NJSA 47:1A-6(f), which states that an email from a
requestor including all of the information required on the adopted
form shall suffice in place of a completed form as a valid government
record request.

I HAVE NOT been convicted of any indictable offense under the laws of
New Jersey, any other state, or the United States.

These records will be used for fact checking a documentary series on
Investigation Discovery/MAX

I AM NOT seeking records in connection with a legal proceeding.

Records requested: Any and all case files, audio recordings, video
evidence, evidentiary photos and incident reports to do with the
murder of 52-year old Michael Galdieri on Thursday, May 22, 2014 at
158 Mallory Ave., Second Floor Apartment, Jersey City, NJ 07304.

My preferred delivery method for response(s) to this request is by
E-mail as attachments at [email address]. Please confirm you have
received this request. If you are not the custodian of records, please
forward my request to that person and provide their email address to
me for future reference.

Yours faithfully,
Tracy Ullman, Producer
Magilla Entertainment
1 Barry Place, Suite 2
Stamford, CT 06902

Reference is made to your OPRA request captioned above.

Please note that the City is conducting its search and/or reviewing
located records and two additional weeks are needed for processing your
request.

Thank you for your patience.

Sincerely,

Emare Herrera

Records Support Tech 1

Office of City Clerk

 
 
 
 
  To monitor the progress or update this request please log into [3]GovQA
the [2]Jersey City OPRA Center. logo

 

References

Visible links
2. https://u8387795.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/clic...

Jersey City OPRA Center,

--- Please respond above this line ---

  [1]GovQA logo
 
 
RE: OPEN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST of April 09, 2025, Reference #
F001609-040925

Ms. Tracy Ullman:

The City received a public information request from you on April 09, 2025.
Your request mentioned:

OPRA request - Looking for Jersey City PD report about Michael
Galdieri DOD May 22, 2014

Dear Jersey City,

Please accept this electronic request for public records made under
OPRA and the common law right of access. I am not required to fill out
an official form or use a particular software platform to submit my
request per NJSA 47:1A-6(f), which states that an email from a
requestor including all of the information required on the adopted
form shall suffice in place of a completed form as a valid government
record request.

I HAVE NOT been convicted of any indictable offense under the laws of
New Jersey, any other state, or the United States.

These records will be used for fact checking a documentary series on
Investigation Discovery/MAX

I AM NOT seeking records in connection with a legal proceeding.

Records requested: Any and all case files, audio recordings, video
evidence, evidentiary photos and incident reports to do with the
murder of 52-year old Michael Galdieri on Thursday, May 22, 2014 at
158 Mallory Ave., Second Floor Apartment, Jersey City, NJ 07304.

My preferred delivery method for response(s) to this request is by
E-mail as attachments at [email address]. Please confirm you have
received this request. If you are not the custodian of records, please
forward my request to that person and provide their email address to
me for future reference.

Yours faithfully,
Tracy Ullman, Producer
Magilla Entertainment
1 Barry Place, Suite 2
Stamford, CT 06902

Reference is made to your OPRA request captioned above.

Please note that the City is conducting its search and/or reviewing
located records and two additional weeks are needed for processing your
request.

Thank you for your patience.

Sincerely,

Emare Herrera

Records Support Tech 1

Office of City Clerk

 
 
 
 
  To monitor the progress or update this request please log into [3]GovQA
the [2]Jersey City OPRA Center. logo

 

References

Visible links
2. https://u8387795.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/clic...

Jersey City OPRA Center,

--- Please respond above this line ---

  [1]GovQA logo
 
 
RE: OPEN PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST of April 09, 2025, Reference #
F001609-040925

Dear Ms. Tracy Ullman,

The City received a public information request from you on April 09, 2025.
Your request mentioned:

OPRA request - Looking for Jersey City PD report about Michael Galdieri
DOD May 22, 2014

Dear Jersey City,

Please accept this electronic request for public records made under OPRA
and the common law right of access. I am not required to fill out an
official form or use a particular software platform to submit my request
per NJSA 47:1A-6(f), which states that an email from a requestor including
all of the information required on the adopted form shall suffice in place
of a completed form as a valid government record request.

I HAVE NOT been convicted of any indictable offense under the laws of New
Jersey, any other state, or the United States.

These records will be used for fact checking a documentary series on
Investigation Discovery/MAX

I AM NOT seeking records in connection with a legal proceeding.

Records requested: Any and all case files, audio recordings, video
evidence, evidentiary photos and incident reports to do with the murder of
52-year old Michael Galdieri on Thursday, May 22, 2014 at 158 Mallory
Ave., Second Floor Apartment, Jersey City, NJ 07304.

My preferred delivery method for response(s) to this request is by E-mail
as attachments at [email address]. Please confirm you have received
this request. If you are not the custodian of records, please forward my
request to that person and provide their email address to me for future
reference.

Yours faithfully,
Tracy Ullman, Producer
Magilla Entertainment
1 Barry Place, Suite 2
Stamford, CT 06902

The City has reviewed its files and has located responsive records to your
request. Please log in to the Jersey City OPRA Center at the following
link to retrieve the appropriate responsive documents.  Please note both
the Div. of CCTV and the Div. of BWC replied there had no records as this
request is past the 90-day and
180-day retention period, respectively.

[2]Open Public Records Act - F001609-040925

This request is now closed.
 
Sincerely,

Hjordys D. Espinal
Office of City Clerk
 

 
 
 
  To monitor the progress or update this request please log into [4]GovQA
the [3]Jersey City OPRA Center. logo

 

References

Visible links
2. https://u8387795.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/clic...
3. https://u8387795.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/clic...

We don't know whether the most recent response to this request contains information or not – if you are Tracy Ullman please sign in and let everyone know.